Sasuke has probably never viewed Naruto as a Brother his, fighting, friendly, scenario, between

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You know, I was re-reading the manga and I noticed how Kishimoto really just shat out the whole quot;Sasuke+Narutoquot; relationship scenario to adhere to his story. There really wasn't a friendly relationship between the two characters...at least to justify Naruto's obsession with quot;savingquot; Sasuke. They were always fighting, never got along, Naruto pretty much despised Sasuke and Sasuke thought Naruto was a dumbass.

I mean, the intro and endings to the Naruto anime show more relationship between the two characters than there actually was in the manga - probably to compensate for the lack of it.

Sakura at least has justification for her need for Sasuke, where as Naruto kind of doesn't. Even in the manga, it seems Sakura is rather indifferent about the apprehension of Sasuke, though yet and still Naruto continues to sport a throbbing hard on to the idea of quot;savingquot; Sasuke.Maybe that's it, maybe Kishimoto is trying to hint that he and his characters are secretly gay. I mean, seriously - someone give me a firm example of Sasuke and Naruto bonding that justifies Naruto's abnormal desire to find him and bring him back against his will.

So you read everything but the VOTE fight?

Sasuke only keeps away from Naruto so he doesn't get tempted to kill him for the MS. And Sasuke himself said Naruto was his best friend. Isn't saying much considering Sasuke wasn't sociable, but it's what he said.


Originally Posted by Di@BoLikSo you read everything but the VOTE fight?Uh, that's the shit Kishimoto produced to make his story flow. What I'm saying is there was no bonding between them. Kishimoto practically whored out some half-ass scenarios where they had past experiences being friendly. As far as I was aware, Sasuke and Naruto didn't care much for each other.

Sasuke's BS about Naruto being his bestfriend doesn't match up with the attitude shown throughout the manga. Sasuke pretty much thought Naruto was a dumbass and no doubt couldn't stand him after Naruto out did him with the Rasengan.

Yeah okay. Nice job on completely missing the point of Naruto's and Sasuke's bond with each other. I guess Kishimoto wasted nearly the last six years in developing and strengthing that bond for us.


Originally Posted by The GodUh, that's the shit Kishimoto produced to make his story flow. What I'm saying is there was no bonding between them. Kishimoto practically whored out some half-ass scenarios where they had past experiences being friendly. As far as I was aware, Sasuke and Naruto didn't care much for each other.

Sasuke's BS about Naruto being his bestfriend doesn't match up with the attitude shown throughout the manga. Sasuke pretty much thought Naruto was a dumbass and no doubt couldn't stand him after Naruto out did him with the Rasengan.
Did you forget the time naruto and sasuke practiced running up trees challenging each other to they both got to the top of the trees. That was their bonding and there are many other examples in the manga like this. Also the times they put their lifes on the line for each other.You simply need to reread the manga or just plain stupid.

Naruto made fun of sasuke because he wanted sasuke to see him as more than just a dropout.  He tried to surpass sasuke in a way so that sasuke would recognize him as an equal.

To bad thew word equal isn't in sasukes vocabulary.


Originally Posted by The White FangYeah okay. Nice job on completely missing the point of Naruto's and Sasuke's bond with each other. I guess Kishimoto wasted nearly the last six years in developing and strengthing that bond for us.

What bond?

Show me.

I mean, sure you can produce countless Sasuke chants by Naruto, but as for Sasuke showing mutual affection. Well, we've seen what happened. Examples of best friends would have events to back up the proclaimed title.

Shikamaru and Chouji ( I can produce multiple scenarios where they've showed best friend relationship qualities)

I mean, the best relationship Sasuke and Naruto should have is liken to the one Sakura and Ino have. Mutual.

Actually their bonds are stated many times like when Sasuke called Naruto a crybaby in the Hidden Mist Arc, and Naruto the same in the Forrest of Death arc.


Originally Posted by killa willyDid you forget the time naruto and sasuke practiced running up trees challenging each other to they both got to the top of the trees. That was their bonding and there are many other examples in the manga like this. Also the times they put their lifes on the line for each other.You simply need to reread the manga or just plain stupid.First of all, they are rivals. Of course they're going to participate in rivalry. (Idiot)

Second of all, as for the risking their life for each other. They're teammates Neji would risk his life for Gai or Lee, and I can tell you with confidence he considers neither of them his best friend.You just gave me crap. There's no evidence to justify Naruto's constant whining about best friendship with Sasuke. There was no bond other than the rivalry bond they shared.

Some people don#8217;t overtly show affection or even interact with another, but they could be feeling very deeply about that person. Case in point, Hinata and Naruto.

Sasuke is the kind of guy that rarely, if ever, shows emotion or divulges what he#8217;s really feeling to people. Of course any #8216;friendship#8217; with him would be nowhere near typical -- bonds were formed between him and Naruto slowly and silently throughout the first part of the series. You see it when they work as a team for the first time (Zabuza fight), when they compete furiously (but importantly, in a comradely way) over the tree climbing exercise and then come back together literally supporting one another, when Sasuke saves Naruto from Haku#8217;s needles even though he knew he#8217;d be risking death, Naruto#8217;s reaction to the apparent #8216;death#8217; afterward, and even the way they want to fight each other in the Chuunin exams shows their closeness, in an almost paradoxical way (fighting is normally a sign of dislike). But there is a clear difference between a fight to resolve friendly competitiveness and a fight to the death, which is what the VotE nearly turned into. Look at the utter contrast between the two, and you#8217;ll see what I mean.

The bond started breaking the instant Sasuke encountered Itachi once more and had his head screwed up. That incident made the very first crack.

Its so obvious Sasuke sees Naruto as that 3rd cousin, that you think about doing it with. But you don#8217;t because it would be awkward at the next family reunion.


Originally Posted by The GodFirst of all, they are rivals. Of course they're going to participate in rivalry. (Idiot)

Second of all, as for the risking their life for each other. They're teammates Neji would risk his life for Gai or Lee, and I can tell you with confidence he considers neither of them his best friend.You just gave me crap. There's no evidence to justify Naruto's constant whining about best friendship with Sasuke. There was no bond other than the rivalry bond they shared.

LOL okay

Well naruto had never had family and always wanted one. Sasuke  loss his family. Through their rivalry they gained what they both really wanted family. This is why sasuke thinks bonds made him weak. Because when he was a child and had family he couldnt protect them from itachi.Neji and Lee are cmpletely different than Naruto and Sasuke. While neji did lose his family (father) Lee as far as we know just wanted too beat neji for the sake of beating him. Lee really had no need for neji as a brother. If they had similiar past they would proably be close like naruto and sasuke.


Originally Posted by The GodWhat bond?

Show me.

I mean, sure you can produce countless Sasuke chants by Naruto, but as for Sasuke showing mutual affection. Well, we've seen what happened.

Ah. Right. Cos putting your life on the line to save your friend doesn't show that you care. That's not something a kid does for someone he doesn't care about, cut the crap. You may say all this quot;I see no proofquot; bullshit, well fine, if you don't want to see it then no-one can help you. The evidence is there. If you ask someone who read this manga properly if Sasuke cared/s about Naruto, the answer is going to be an easy 'yes'.

Truth is that Sasuke and Naruto's relationship has received the most attention out of all of the ones in the manga, and that goes before the VotE. It just added a few things to their relationship that we didn't know about; namely that they had been very aware of each other since they were little. And take a look at that scene of them as young children, as Naruto walks by the hill while Sasuke is sat at the pier. And the way they both end up smiling after putting on a I HATE YOU façade. Sasuke cares, in his own way. Sure, he's not vocal about it like Naruto is after he leaves...but the actions speak for themselves. Don't you wonder why no-one is agreeing with you?

You're just choosing not to see because you don't want to.

After the Wave Arc, it should be obvious they had a brother like relationship. VotE only cemented that.


Originally Posted by The GodUh, that's the shit Kishimoto produced to make his story flow. What I'm saying is there was no bonding between them. Kishimoto practically whored out some half-ass scenarios where they had past experiences being friendly. As far as I was aware, Sasuke and Naruto didn't care much for each other.

Sasuke's BS about Naruto being his bestfriend doesn't match up with the attitude shown throughout the manga. Sasuke pretty much thought Naruto was a dumbass and no doubt couldn't stand him after Naruto out did him with the Rasengan.

Thats the the problem right there. Its safe to say that you shouldn't trust your awareness.

You're right. Sasuke and Naruto aren't best friends. They're secretly in love with each other, but can't say so yet because Kishi has yet to reveal his yaoi conspiracy.

I seem to remember sasuke like throwing himself in front of haku's(for all he knew) deadly needle barrage to save naruto. that is more then just risking your life, that is outright sacrifice.but yea, I bet sasuke could really give I shit about naruto. I mean, I know I would sacrifice myself to save some guy I really could care less about.yup.

If you have a sibling that is close to your age and you don't bicker with them every now and then, then there is something wrong.  They never got along because they were rivals. Rivals tend to trash talk to one and other. It a sort motivation thing.

Sasuke did see Naruto as a brother. if he didn't then he would've killed naruto at the end of the fight. He even said it himself that the bonds that he had with Naruto were not meaningless.

Look and Ino and Sakura, they had a rivalry to win sasuke. The insulted one another but they never truly hated each other. If Ino hated Sakura she would've let her die in the forest of death or she would've been serious in the preliminaries from the start.  Look what happened after the fight, they were best friends.

I agree somewhat that its hard to see evidence of their bond. But just a few examples i could name, that if not having a bond, at least proves that they understood each other, is:

- Sasuke understood why Naruto was loud and annoying when Sakura claimed that he was a spoiled brat. When he met Naruto after he had gotten free of the ropes he wasnt angry at him but simply smirked at him. So i think Sasuke understood why Naruto behaved that way.

- We also when they teamed together vs Zabuza.
- Tree climbing
- Sasuke quot;deathquot; vs Haku.
- They were worried sick of each other during FoD,(Oro commented on how Naruto began to change Sasuke at this part)  
- The Chuunin battles, how Sasuke smirked at Naruto after he defeated Yoroi and Naruto being scared as hell when Sasuke faced Gaara.
- Sasuke willing to die so that Narutoamp;Sakura could get away from Gaara.
- Sasuke being worried about Naruto when he heard about Itachi chasing him.
- VOTE

To conclude, i believe that they both felt as friends/brothers but both were to prideful/stubborn to admit it. Naruto because he saw Sasuke as a rival and because he was envious of Sasuke, while Sasuke probably did it so that it wouldnt conflict with his revenge.

I think that is a key reason why most of the open scenes about their bond happened when they were in a lethal/extremely dangerous situation. I think their true emotions popped out when they saw the other person was in trouble and thus they were unable to uphold the indifferent mask.